Wednesday, May 07, 2008

Zunes, Holley, Roussellier--all in the same PDF!

I'm glad the ARSO news round-up caught this: a "Viewpoints" discussion from the Middle East Institute about Western Sahara and autonomy between Jacques Rousellier, Robert Holley, Stephen Zunes, and some guy from al-Akhawayn University in Morocco.

Thoughts after I read it, but I have one problem already: Holley's bio fails to mention that he's a paid lobbyist for the Moroccan government.

5 comments:

  1. YOUR ONLY PROBLEM. IS THAT YOUR ARE GETTING WELL PAID FROM ALGERIANS
    i can see that algerians and thier backed torrorist group polisario, likes alying with words, the first thing, western sahara is moroccan,lear more about histrical facts before believing lies. second morocco fight and with fight forever terrorists, is for that algerians and thier allies polisario, says that the god of moroccans is bush,Morocco protect the europe back door from terror, whey because morocco,was there alays to help,60000 soldiers to fight against hitler, morocco is the only country who accepted to help jew in 1300, spanish expultion, so don't talk about something you don't know next time, believe the hstorical right of morocco to recover his territory

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  2. Well paid from Algerians? I wish.

    As to the rest of your stuff: good for Morocco for helping Jews. Speaking as both a 1/16th Jew and a fan of all Jews, I'm glad Morocco helped them. But how does that get Morocco off the hook for occupying Western Sahara? If the Sahrawis really are part of Morocco, let them vote on independence and choose no. I'll stop blogging, you'll stop commenting, and the Sahrawis can live their lives.

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  3. Anonymous12:29 AM

    http://hrw.org/english/docs/2008/05/08/morocc18762_txt.htm

    HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH
    Morocco: Sham Inquiry Highlights Impunity for Police Abuse
    Prosecutor Prematurely Closes Investigation Without Hearing All Testimony

    (New York, May 8, 2008) – Citing “lack of evidence,”

    Moroccan authorities closed an investigation into police abuse allegations made by two human rights defenders whose testimony the prosecutor refused to solicit, Human Rights Watch said today.

    The two Sahrawi human rights advocates, Dahha Rahmouni and Brahim al-Ansari, say that, in December 2007, police in the city of El-Ayoun, in the Moroccan-controlled Western Sahara, arbitrarily arrested and beat them before releasing them without charge. Human Rights Watch is making public today the men’s formal complaints [Rahmouni's complaint, in Arabic and Ansari's complaint, in Arabic] and additional evidence indicating that authorities did not conduct a credible investigation into the incident before announcing the end of the probe on May 5.

    “A real, impartial investigation would have included testimony from both the police officers accused of abuse and the rights advocates making the allegations,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “Instead, Moroccan authorities chose to hear only one side, showing they’re not impartial.”

    ......

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  4. Thanks for the link to the "Viewpoints" discussion from the Middle East Institute about Western Sahara and autonomy between Jacques Rousellier, Robert Holley, James Sater and Stephen Zunes.
    It is interesting to see this paper does not discusss RASD.
    * The Saharawis are represented in this paper by the Polisario, which we know is an armed liberation movement. Liberation movements have very clear but limited goals like liberate, or die.
    * The paper also mentions the winner-takes-all-mentality as an obstacle for the peace negotiations. Maybe the negotiations should not be held with Polisario with it's limited range of interests but be held with RASD for a state has a much broader range of topics to discuss in the field of maintainance.
    * The existence of RASD makes clear why Roussellier's remark about re-casting the matter as an minorities' rights issue within an autonomy framework is not realistic.
    * Both Sater and Holley seem to think the autonomy proposal should be used as a tool to change inner Moroccan political structures. This complicates things for Polisario is not a Moroccan liberation movement.
    * Morocco is a monarchy and RASD is a republic. It is not realistic to propose autonomy for a republic within a monarchy. A fix could be a framework fitting both. A higher organisation, call it the Magreb Union, could grant autonomy to Western Sahara. The King of Morocco could be symbolic head of the Union in which ofcourse also Spain (Mellila, Peregil island) and Algeria and Mauretania have to take part.

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  5. Van Kaas, really good analitical style, Bravo, i desagree with you for 70% but i like your comments (ou now my point of view) i think you fallowed the last events, what do you think? 50% of the people in the polisario camps wants to come back to live in morocco! but polisarion don't want (you know humanitarian aid) international support for a false cause etc.. anyway the moroccan proposal, is the only solution, we have to be realistic, algerians are afraid, why?
    because if polisario agree with this proposal, the four alregian ethnic Agroups, will ask for the same thing, the kabile are fighting now for this. so, morocco proposal is a real future

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